HTML coding one on one instruction

[XXXPhoto]

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[cockman]

I use both hard coding and wysiwyg and it depends what you wanna do ,,,,,,,, both work ....but the more complex the page is the more you need to hard code...i make all my galleries in wysiwyg becuase it's a peice of cake

[johnmark69]

It's really easier thru wysiwyg especially for those who wants it fast and simple. However, when the page you wanna create is very complex then sometimes wysiwyg would just create more waste of time and gets you frustrated. :D

[johnmark69]

what do you guys usually use to create your pages?

[Headless]

I use HTML and handcode it... That's how I learned and thats what I do....

[XXXPhoto]

I started coding webpages using pico... so when a friend explained that I could use notepad I thought it was best thing since sliced bread. In 96 I was building websites for hotels and shows down in Branson and did use HoTMetaL to cut image maps. Once I learned format for those though I started doing those by hand as well.

I've reviewed thousands of websites both surfer oriented ones and webmaster service types of sites. Back in the YNOT Member sites days, I culled down the thousands of review requests, I reviewed every resource listed in the webmaster services sections there from 97 to 00; same for TopNiche resources since 2000... I see the mistakes wysiwyg editors make in pages and it's no fault of the person using them... The very nature of the products aren't to write clean functional code but rather make HTML appear so 'mysterious' as to prevent novice users from trying to learn it.

In windows OS, there are several different ways of doing same task... opening a file for example. You can go to my computer and find it, use windows explorer to do it, click the start button and use run command, use a shortcut on your desktop if you have one, and many others... HTML is no different. There are an infinate number of ways to get a webpage to appear visually the same.

However, not all of those ways make sense... It's stupid to not have your code as short as possible. It's stupid to have 3 different font tags when one will be fine. It's stupid to construct convoluted table elements for layout when a shorter/simpler method will work just fine. It's stupid to have a 50 line java code for image swaps when you can name an image and use the onmouseover/out to change it.

Most webmasters realize the savings in taking a 100k image down to 30k... yet they don't consider taking 100k of HTML down to 30K... that's just silly and shortsighted IMO.

Anyway, the beauty of this is that folks that don't think it's important will continue to shoot themselves in the foot; those that seek out folks like me for help or learn on their own will gain yet another edge over growing competition... :wink:

~Mark

[cockman]

Tru that xxx photo!!! :)

[Tart]

Ohh it's so good to hear that alot of you handcode! I have friends that use frontpage and then will ask me to find the problems and it takes me forever to wade thru all the extra stuff in there...I won't do it anymore, as I end up rewriting the whole page to get rid of the excess. I would like to get a real light wysiwyg program to use for simple stuff tho'...any recommendations?

[cockman]

probably the best one i've used is composer.....but once again all wysiwyg editors have pros and cons.... i will always use them though because the majority of my work is tidious and they will work fine if the work is really complicated then i open notepad...

[sexycrawler]

I am completely agree.... There is nothing better than hand writing html.

XXXPhoto : « It's stupid to have 3 different font tags when one will be fine. » I will add that instead of using font in any kind of way in your html source, it is better to use the CSS. The code is much more shorter and you can make change like that without rewriting your whole page.

And for the best editor, well pico is good ... but Xemacs is better.
:D

CHRis

[XXXPhoto]

Thanks for responses folks... Nice to be able to show some folks how to do it better and get that winning edge... ;o)

~Mark

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[Anonymous]

Bah you hardcoders you. :D Get Dream Weaver! I do believe that it creates code that is 99% as clean as if you hard coded it yourself. And it includes tools that will automatically clean UP your HMTL code. IE finding extra font tags, etc.

And it has commands that clean up the garbage that both Front Page AND MS Word puts in.

[XXXPhoto]

Mighty FurMeister:

Jeff... I'll tell you what... go grab last issue of the newsletter and just look at that page and code a copy in Dream Weaver by sight. I'll hand code a copy from scratch by hand in notepad and we'll see which one comes out cleaner and quicker...

~Mark :wink:
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